Hello It is possible to submit to IBVS via ascii by uploading to an ftp account and sending a covering email, without having to go the usual, somewhat perverse, route of covering oneself in LaTeX. I have heard of people taking this route. If someone out there could forward the details and/or an URL to this list (to which the person who asked me is a subscribist), it would be useful, as I have been asked about this and can't remember where I learnt of it. Meanwhile, I have tried unsuccessfully twice to unsubscribte to vsnet-chat, which I didn't subscribe to in the first place, but got shoved on due to a confusion of postings in vsnet-newvar. I want out. Majordomo-chan is not being very co-operative, and the webpages (where there's plenty of details on how to subscribe, but nothing explicit on unsusbcribing) haven't helped. Anyone send me the syntax? If this test email gets through, it will confirm that I am still on chat. While I'm being generally crabby, why do the vsnet web pages have to run this java script that incessantly downloads little gifs for the animations? It _seriously_ slows down access for us poor dialup slobs, and further, the dang script keeps running and if you're not careful will cause the browser to autoconnect once you've disconnected if you keep the browser open for offline reading, as it tries to download the next gif. (Actually, I've resorted to toggling java on and off before going to the vsnet webpages, but that itself is a an unnecessary nuisance. An original query to the 'burning' man himself resulted in no response). Cheers John Greaves