CMC12 190729.2-013610 - Mira variable RA 19 07 29.2807 sd 0.019" Dec -01 36 10.242 sd 0.056" (ICRS) [REF1] has r'_CMT_ mag 13.798 with standard deviation (sd) 0.862 from 6 photometric observatoins [see note2] (see REF1 for details of r'_CMT_ magnitudes, which are meant to be similar to SDSS r', itself a modification/extension/rederivation of the 'red' passband gunn r) Examination of archival survey plate images of 1' square [REF2] confirms this to be a large amplitude object on both sets of four red and four blue plates dated 1950.5448, 1951.6427, 1988.4668, 1995.5797 (red plates) and 1950.5448, 1951.6427, 1984.4175, 1988.6119 (blue plates) respectively. Marked variation of the object relative to adjacent stars is evident in both sets of plates, independently. Despite being apparently quite faint visually (it is not in the GSC, but that is not conclusive), the object is overexposed on a 1992.4011 'far red' IVN plate and has 2MASS photometry of:- J 6.495 +/- 0.014 ; H 5.475 +/- 0.010 ; Ks 4.937 +/- 0.012 showing the object to be bright in the near infrared. It is solely detected at and shows a point source function in Band A of the MSX5C infrared catalogue, suggestive of silicate emission from a late type star. (It lies within the 3" error margin of the MSX5C position in terms of declination, but 1" outside of that in terms of RA. However there is no other prospective candidate evident within an arcminute). It is also an IRAS source. Marked variation randomly sampled over several survey plates is usually consistant with a large amplitude regularly varying object (an erratic object is likely to be at non-active brightness most of the time). Red stars undergoing large amplitude change over time are invariably Mira variables. IDENTIFICATIONS : USNOB1.0 0833-0472210 19 07 29.26 err .08" -01 36 10.1 err .09" [REF2] [note1] GSC2.2 S300232233258 19 07 29.26 err .26" -01 36 10.0 err .25" 2MASS 1907292-013610 MSX5C_G033.3351-04.3029 IRAS 19048-0140 --------------------------------------------------------- John Greaves Acknowledgements: This research made strong use of Guide 8 by Bill J Gray; the CDS online services of SIMBAD, VizieR and Aladin; and NOFS archive server [REF2]. The CMC12 V1.0 (Carlsberg Meridian Catalogue 12 Version 1.0) was sourced via CDS ftp services from subdirectory .../I/282, where an explanatory readme file and copy of [REF1] can also be found. [REF1] Evans D.W., Irwin M.J., Helmer L. Astron. Astrophys. 395, 347 (2002) [REF2] This examination made use of the USNOFS Image and Catalogue server at www.nofs.navy.mil/data/FchPix [note1] (USNOB1.0 identifiers' reality/meaning unsure at this time) [note2] A guesstimatory feel for the meaning of the r'_CMT_ standard deviations was made by comparison of handfuls common objects from the CMC12 and MISAO variables, and also of FASTT variables thought to be LPVs. The latter was also useful in having an instrumental magnitude passband not too dissimilar to CMC12, indeed mean magnitudes from CMC12 and FASTT often compared well to within a tenth or two of a magnitude. From this a cut off standard deviation on r'_CMT_ was guesstimated to give an extremely small subset of the whole that possibility contained long period variables. Each is examined individually through many catalogue searches, which often revealed that variability of the object was already known in the GCVS, NSV, MISAO project, ASAS survey or FASTT. Objects without a known and/or suspect variable star catalogue entry were then examined via the NOFS archive images. In some cases these images revealed that the standard deviation values were the result of duplicity induced variability (two or more _very_ close similar stars), or revealed that the object just wasn't variable, at least to a large enough amplitude to be noted on the images, such that the standard deviation was likely to be caused by unknown experiment specific factors. The remaining, smallest number, of objects show evidence of being unknown Miras. This is from a subset of roughly 4100 objects in CMC12 with standard deviation >0.75 (out of 6.3 million objects, but single observations perforce have no standard deviation) preliminary results suggest somewhere between 1 to 5 percent will be unknown Miras.