Dear Mr. Brian Skiff Thank you very much for your interest in my CCD+telephoto combination and yo ur suggestion.I think this set-up is easy to operate and time-saving for the amateurs who cannot spend enough time for taking images. I had not experimented taking images in the twilight to know the limitting m ag. I tried it this morning. The set-up was ST-8 and 200mm F4 telephotolens.The center of the images was 12h36m-04d, at the elongation of about 34 degrees. Today the sun rise was at 6:40 AM (JST) here. Mag was compared to some GSC stars. At 5:42 AM(JST) , slightly bright --- exp.30sec, limiting mag13.4, NGC4546(m ag 11.45) : detected clearly At 5:54 AM(JST) --- exp.20sec, limiting mag 12.4, NGC4546 : detected At 5:58 AM(JST), bright ! --- exp.10sec, limiting mag 10.8, NGC4546 : not de tected I could not take iamges under this elongation due to the fense of my house, but I think the result would be almost same at the elongation of 20-30 degrees. There have been a standard V filter on my desk for a long time.Maybe I will be trying it soon. Regards, Akira Takao Kitakyushu, Japan