When trying to interpret a star's behavior based on visual data, there is inevitably going to be uncertainty involved. There is usually about a magnitude of scatter in visual observations, and I find it not at all unusual to have a mix of "fainter than" observations in the midst of the positive data. That is fine. I want as much information as possible - if an observer thinks there may have been a star visible at his or her limit of detection, I want to know that someone looked at the field. If there was uncertainty, I want to know there is uncertainty. What it may tell me is that the star was no brighter than a tenth of a magnitude brighter than the observer's limit. If that limit is 14 and I am wondering if the star was brighter than 15, then I get no information from that piece of data, but that is still better than not having the data reported at all. Regards, Lew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/