Thanks to Brian for the very insightful comments on photometry (vsnet-chat 864). Why don't you guys (and girls) out there hear him? I have been making CV charts now for over 20 years, and the hardest part is getting a sequence. Unfortunately many people who should know better are using GSC magnitudes as sequence stars. Don't fall into that trap - they are garbage. And the USNO A1.0 catalogue, which is extremely useful for the production of deep charts ( I use it regularly), is useless for the final accurate magnitude sequence. I understand there are some folks in the northern hemishere currently testing the feasibility of producing CCD derived magnitude sequnces for CV's. The work of Arne Henden, Kent Honeycutt, and of course, Brian Skiff, come to mind. Also Taichi Kato's VSNET charts and sequences deserve mention. BUT these folk are ALL professional astronomers . Where are you amateurs who could help. In particular is there someone in the southern hemishere who would like to get involved. You will gain the undying appreciation of fellow variable star observers for your work. There is so much concern and consternation out there about magnitudes - why don't you get off your butts and do something about it? I really hope Brian's comments get through - good charts and sequences, properly published, are a thing of both beauty, usefulness and timelessness. Who wants to get involved in some very beneficial CCD sequence determinations? Bruce Sumner Melbourne ========================================= Bruce Sumner National Meteorological Operations Centre Bureau of Meteorology Australia email: b.sumner@bom.gov.au phone: +613 9669 4349 fax: +613 9662 1223 =========================================