At 08:32 08/01/01 -0600, Seiichi Yoshida wrote: >Dear colleagues, >I know the editors of the The Astronomer would not like us to use the >"Q" number because they are not public. However, the Mike Collins web >page is public, anyone can read it, so I think we can use the "Q" >number only recorded in the web page. Indeed And this epitomizes the problems promulgated by a consistently inadequate approach to this matter as given by the TA webpages. This is why I was personally very annoyed by the responses from the UK on these matters when this thread started. All responses suggested that problems arose from the failure of others to adequately use the TA data, and anyway, the TA wasn't primarily interested in variables, etc. Reality, and not viewpoint, shows that problems were rife because of the ambiguity, still not sufficiently resolved, inherent in the TA system with respect to variables, quarter century vintage or no. For example, Q numbers shouldn't be used, but end up having to be used due to the way things have been done, etc Well, I could go on at length [I have in the past], but I'll leave it there, only 12 minutes to eclipse commencement after all. Salient point: when disconnected and experienced people say there is a problem with a system, that usually means there is a problem with that system, and it ought to be resolved. John Greaves UK