[vsnet-chat 4212] Re: re vs-chat 4203 [was GK Per etc.]

["Sebastian Otero" <varsao@fullzero.com.ar>]

> There are a number of dedicated (visual) observers of CVs out there, with
> an international representation, who are fed up of the "prediscovery" of
CV
> outbursts as reported by Patrick Schmeer.  Indeed, Mr Simonsen is in no
way
> the only person to have expressed such views.

Hi, all: I support Mike and John's statements.
I have been in the list only for a year now but I had already noticed the
Scp "time-delayed discoveries".

One example:
When Nova Sagittarii 2001 was discovered by Liller, inmediately, thanks to
vsnet-alert we sent an alert to LIADA's discussion list. It ended up with
our dediacted observer Alexandre Amorim reporting a visual observation of
the new nova.

SGRnova2001    20010225.2410     85   AAX

This observation appeared a day later and I can't remember when, but Scp
sent a delayed report of the nova having been observed before my Brazilian
colleague.

20010225.215    85  (P. Schmeer)
20010225.241    85  (Alexandre Amorim)
20010225.628    89  (A. Jones)
20010225.694    89  (R. Stubbings)

Of course, Rod, Albert, and everyone else had already sent their
observations before Scp sent his. Maybe he should change his internet server
since it seems to be too slow.
I think it's time to stop playing this game.
Neither of us make variable star estimates for the glory but for the fun of
it, as Mike said. But it doesn't mean it is ok that someone takes profit of
our altruistic dedication.

Of course there are no rules in our activity and everybody can send their
observations when they feel like doing it but we all do it as fast as
possible to help others in observing and to share our experiences. It's a
strange thing the way Scp does it.
And I insist we can do whatever we want to do, for instance: to watch a star
when we feel like.
It would be very annoying that someone would tell us when we should take a
look at a certain star. Wouldn't it? ;-)

Maybe we are all wrong.
Maybe Patrick doesn't seem to be interested in people receiving his very
valuable observations until everybody knows about the objects and what is
happenning to them... jsut because he is too modest... ;-)...


> Yet never is the problem resolved, as these amateurs don't really want to
> make a fuss and are usually more interested in getting on with observing.
> And on occasions the evidence is somewhat circumstantial, and the benefit
> of the doubt is given.

Of course. Nobody wants to stop enjoyng our hobbie just to start a fight.
But nobody wants to play the fool too.


> But given the long standing of this behaviour, and the fact that I'm bored
> to bleeding death of getting email on it from all over the place every few
> months, when it _last_ happened, a few months ago now, and the plethora of
> emails from the annoyed hit my email inbox, I made the following
suggestion
> to everybody, and also stated that if he should repeat the exercise again,
> that due to my sheer annoyance with the whole never ending crap of it all,
> I'd make the comment public.
>
> Next time Patrick Schmeer prediscovers a CV in outburst, will _everybody_
> kindly send him the following email directly:-
>
> "Dear SCP, we know what you're up to, now kindly pack the fuck
in!!!!!!!!!!!"
>
> And I don't care if such sentiments get me unsubscribed/banned, I am bored
> to death with this problem.

If you are banned all of us are.
Period.

I was lucky enough that Scp doesn't look at RCB's (or he does?) because
there was a two weeks hole before the deep fading observation of GU Sgr last
sunday... Oh, no... I shouldn't have mentioned this!!! Tomorrow we'll be
receiving a delayed posting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cheers and keep observing.

Sebastian.


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