Hi All, I was interested in TK's data presentation for Mira. Obviously this is a rather faint maximum - which tend to be a bit broader than the brighter kind. The analysis tends to support my contention - if you're trying to establish the epoch of maximum of a Mira star it's better to ignore the top 10% of the light curve and fit the remaining data to a standard light curve. This way the optimists and the pessimists don't affect the conclusions too much. Perhaps Mira is not a good example. At this brightness level it is being compared with B and A type stars in most cases and being a late rising equatorial object extinction will make a difference of several tenths of a magnitude to evening observations. It should be fainter in the morning when it's closer to the meridian. I'm not sure about alpha Ceti - it's spectral type suggests low amplitude variations but that shouldn't affect the present measures. But to us southerners it's just another example of altitude making the northern star appear brighter than its southern counterpart, beta, which in reality is considerably brighter. I'm almost tempted to make a visual measure myself. Tonight, perhaps, if the present fine weather persists. Regards, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Taichi Kato <tkato@kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp> To: <vsnet-chat@kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp>; <vsnet-computing@kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp>; <vsnet-lpv@kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:23 AM Subject: [vsnet-chat 3740] Nightly averaged magnitude of Mira