Brian Skiff wrote: > We have the BPM volumes here. Not sure they'd be too helpful, since >the positions are rough, and no charts. > >\Brian In that case I suppose it is going to be almost impossible to "know" where NSV 11683 really lies. I've used at the USNOFS PMM plates' server and can't really see anything suitably variable at NSV 11683's rough position. Meanwhile, HadV69 is very red, and quite faint on the blue plates, which I suppose tallies with the mag 15 to less than 17.2 photographic range that the NSV quotes for NSV 11683. HadV69 is evidently variable from the PMM plates. A number of these NSV and GCVS3 objects seem completely unrecoverable, at least to any level of confidence. In other words, yes HadV69 could well be NSV 11683, but whether such is helpful in any way, I'm not so sure. NB 1FASTT 1197 lies roughly 5' southwest of HadV69 and may also appear on Haseda's images. It may just show a hint of variability on the PMM archive plates, but I wouldn't like to swear to it. John JG, UK