To resolve the quandary expressed in http://vsnet.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp/vsnet/Mail/vsnet-newvar/msg00565.html (which is actually vsnet-newvar 588) with regards to HadV69 and NSV 11683 someone with a printed copy of the NSV will need to kindly provide the details of reference "38003". [Whatever you do don't mention the usno "designation" quoted in newvar 588 though.... ....it'll be an A1.0 one if anybody's interested]. Incidentally, do any of the professionals think it'd be possible to talk the ADS into archiving the NSV refs???? Incidentally, Dr Kato, there seems to be a "hole" in the webpage archive of vsnet-newvar, I think the last batch of MISAO variables got missed, hence the discrepancy between newvar number and msgnnnnn.html number above. Cheers John