Not to keep harping on sequences, but Hazel McGee mentioned the AAVSO preliminary chart magnitudes. I quote from Bruce Sumner's sequence notes for V844 Her but after correcting star 2's magnitude: "There is a Preliminary AAVSO 'e' chart dated 06/1997, with six PEP(V) magnitudes included. These magnitudes are from S. Antipin (IBVS 4360). Five of the magnitudes are common to both sequences: ID Henden AAVSO Antipin 2 12.310 13.1 13.14 3 12.517 13.8 13.86 4 12.834 14.1 14.10 7 14.083 14.9 14.92 8 14.995 16.2 16.15 Antipin's (and hence the AAVSO) magnitudes are 1 magnitude or more fainter than those derived here. This results from Antipin's magnitudes being misinterpreted as V magnitudes, when it fact they are photographic magnitudes derived from photographic plates taken in Crimea and now in the Moscow plate collection. In actual fact Antipin's magnitudes are closely related to B magnitudes." Arne