Arne, that's why my SN measures, although rounded to a lower resolution, agree with yours.... Visual observations especially under the 'cloud' of uncertain sequences cannot determine the exact time of peak brightness of a 'slowish' event as a SN near maximum. One needs those 0.01 mags to determine that. I hope you or someone else keep(s) providing those... Regards, Berto >>> <aah@nofs.navy.mil> 05/04 11:37 PM >>> Reading Berto Monard's note from [vsnet-alert 1729], he used a star 'd', positioned 20" S and 1' E of the bright star in the NGC4462 field. If I have my identifications correct, this star is listed in my master sequence (http://ftp.nofs.navy.mil/pub/outgoing/aah/vsnet/ngc4462.seq) as V=13.171 (B-V=0.681), so very close to the provisional magnitude of V=13.2 that Berto used. Arne !