Dear Dr. Munari and VSNET members, Since Nogami-san (the VSNET manager) will soon become absent in order to attend a meeting (I am sending this from Mitaka NAOJ, Tokyo, though ...), I would instead like to express our present situation on VSNET reporting format of visual estimates. We have once made a proposal on the reporting format just like what Dr. Munari has mentioned. However, we have not reached a good concensus mainly because of two reasons. One is that not all observers use computer programs when preparing reports (and preparing a program for different kinds of computers would be also a difficult task). The other is that some observers are already familiar with a specific program and already storing their data in their formats. In both cases, a strong and urgent request about the data format in VSNET would require additional works and time for the observers' side, which are especially difficult for active observers working hours every night under the sky, or may cause hesitation in posting their observations. Another reason is that VSNET does not belong to any pre-existing variable star organizations. So, the reports to VSNET should not be con- sidered to be formal reports to the organizations like AAVSO, VSOLJ etc., but rather considered to be more alert-oriented (esp. this vsnet-alert). From this reason, we have decided not to require observers to take additional time in converting the data format, especially when the converting procedure is not convenient for them. However, it would be helpful to show our "recommended" format for those who start observing or reporting, or those who might prepare tools or programs for the VSNET members (in this area, we may also work together; for details please consult us using administrative mailing address: vsnet-adm@kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp). Our recommended format was designed so that necessary data can be easily extracted without serious programing. The rule is just as ones which have been used in observations issued by VSOLJ members. 1) Each line has four fields separated by space characters. The four fields represent the name of the object, the observed date in UT, the magnitude, and the observer's name or code. 2) The name of the object should not be omitted, otherwise line-oriented tools like grep in UNIX would miss the observations. The variable star name has the 3-letter constellation code in upper case letters, immedi- ately (without placing spaces) followed by its name in the constellation. The examples are: DRAAG for AG Dra, CYGSS for SS Cyg, HERalpha for alpha Her, AQLnova1995 for Nova Aql 1995 etc. Although the conventional names like AG Dra or Nova Aql 1995 are, of course, much more familiar to most observers, they have difficulties in that they have different number of space characters which have always posed a problem in auto- matic data selection. From experiences in archiving the VSOLJ data, the name in the present rule has been found to work very well (placing the constellation at the beginning also enables simple sorting to get a order which are familiar to variable star observers; simple sorting of the data written in conventional names would result a notoriously unfamiliar order of objects). 3) The observed time should be written in UT (UTC here). This preference is because JD seems to be less familiar outside variable star specialist group, and because expression in UT would be more easily checked. We recommend observers to write the last two digits of the year, the month in two digits and the day and its fraction, like 950720.123 which means 1995 July 20.123 UT. Please write the year and month in each line of observations; otherwise they would become difficult to find in automatic selection. Concerning the format of the year, we will reconsider if VSNET survives until 2000. 4) The magnitudes and the observers' names or codes may not be as strict as the fields described above. The full lines would become like this: CYGSS 990101.345 120 Xyz /* not a real data */ CYGSS 990102.456 110 Xyz /* write the name, yaer, month in every line */ Please note that this rule would not be considered as requirements but recommendation. We would be grateful if any contributors are interested in this scheme and may introduce this into their regular works. And please note that this format is for vsnet-obs for exchanging observations, and not for usual text-based discussion. For less urgent data extraction, we have recently developed a system of regular archiving the VSNET mails. Anyone can access by anonymous ftp (ftp.kusastro.kyoto-u.ac.jp, under /pub/vsnet/Mail). This would reduce, in some part, in extracting the necessary data. The data reported in the format above have been divided according to the star names and sorted in the time sequence. This has been done by a Perl script which has been prepared by H. Baba, a member of the VSNET manager group. As a matter of fact, we have received a request from the CBAT of IAU if the reporting format might be as in IAUCs. We did not adopt this because we thought this format would make future automatic extraction more difficult. If you find it necessary to direct your observations to the CBAT, it would be advised to follow the CBAT's recommendation and send the data directly to the CBAT. When you send them as a carbon copy of a mail to vsnet-obs, you may attach the data in the CBAT format to the usual VSNET mails. Regards, Taichi Kato (vsnet sub-manager) PS. This "vsnet-alert" is not very suitable for discussing this sort of problem. Please direct your opinions rather to vsnet-adm. We will be able to make a small working group if necessary.