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[vsnet-chat 6852] re Nova type classification thoughts



  From John Greaves:

Taichi Kato wrote :


> Do you really think that this classification scheme is still valid?
> NA is simply a "fast nova" and NB a "slow nova".  The borderline of
> classification depends on authors (very subjective!).  I don't think
> it very meaningful to correlate this classification with parameters
> such as T2 or T3.

It's inclusion was primarily a consequence of retaining the structure of the 
Duerbeck list which was used for the vast majority of the pre 1987 data.

It's nice to know whether a nova was fast or slow.  I think I was even going to 
see if small regions preferentially provided one type or another at one point, 
though I never did (some parts of Aquila, for example, have been nova rich).

However, a classification based on _eventual_ lightcurve would be much nicer, 
and more in keeping with other variable classification, and to some extent 
suprenova classification, schemes.

There'd be fast lightcurves, slow lightcurves and oscillating lightcurves at 
least, I think, possibly not much use for anything extra.  I'm a bit rusty on 
my novae reading, though.  Most formal schemes seem to be spectroscopically 
based.  In the case of cataclysmic variables, spectroscopic classifications and 
lightcurve classifications (in for example 'novalike' CVs) tend to overlap a 
lot, with GK Per being my favourite example of a multiclassified DN, UG, NC, 
IP/DQHER, and propably others, object, depending on how you look at it, and 
this may well be the case in novae too, for all I know.

Of course, using a slightly extended lightcurve criterion you could, as Bill 
Liller suggests, bring NR in easier, and possibly even NX (or however xray 
novae are annotated) at a pinch.

Duerbeck seems to have been of a generation to be still "old school" in his 
approach to the matter, and his teams' work seems to have taken Cecilia Payne-
Gaposchkin's seminal (1905s???) work on novae classification as a guide.  Since 
Duerbeck, spectroscopic appraisal seems to be to the fore, but of course this 
is no use for past novae.  Whether there's a professional around nowadays how 
could get hold of sufficient data to generate lightcurves, I do not know.  
Indeed, use of T2 and/or T3 is probably an attempt to get around the sparsity 
of data for many past novae.

Cheers

John

John Greaves


PS re GU Mus and V518 Per and historical reasons:  wasn't ROSAT working then?  
Maybe they called for visual confirmations, thinking they'd detected xray 
signatures of novae, whilst in effect these were not quite classical novae, at 
least in optical terms?  There certainly appears to have been a window of xray 
novae discoveries suggesting a connection with a satellite campaign.


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