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[vsnet-chat 6703] Re: [vsnet-campaign-ccd-discussion 71] (fwd) problems with AIP4win



Yes I was discribing an  older version but now have rerun the test with the
latest . However I would have expected the fisrt version to be reliable but it
seems not.

Since having made some comments about AIP4win, I have put the latest version
through its paces, the aperture photometry that is. I commented that when
comparing AIP4win results with those of Munipack 2.2 the later showed less
scatter. 2 sets of stars between Mag 12.5 & 13  were measured in 163 frame.

I have rerun the data  and come up with some results

1 ) The quality of the output data seems to dependent on the telescope
tracking
When all the images are aligned to remove tracking errors like declination
drift
and periodic errors the results are as good as that of Munipack 2.2  but not
the
same. However  if you just let the apertures track on the image the results
are
not as good

The results from both reduction programs were close but not the same, The
delta
magnitude of  first  pair of stars  agreed to 0.01mag the other pair to 0.02.
The SD for Munipack were 0.010 & 0.012 for AIP4win on the aligned images 0.011
&
0.012 and on the nonaligned images 0.014 & 0.015 .
These  were taken with a .3m SCT and a ST6b at medium resolution.
The best aperture for AIP4Win was 3pr and Munipack 2.5pr the sky annulus for
both  was set at  IS 10pr OS 30pr (AIP4Win now lets u set the inside sky
annulus)

2) One of the stars which I wanted to measure to include with these results
would not let it self be measured either in the aligned data set or the
unaligned data set. On close inspection of the image I could see a fainter
star
about 5 pixels north of the target. The aperture insisted in placing itself
between the two stars. Selecting the VCK tracing mode  for moving targets
fixed
this.

Marc Bos

Tom Richards wrote:

> AIP4Win does allow you to set the inner sky annulus. However it does have
> some problems with centroiding: I've noticed they show up particularly if
> you're using it on moving objects, as you might expect. This may give rise
> to the problems described in this thread. I find MaxIm far better in this
> regard.
>
> Tom Richards
>
> > (fwd) problems with AIP4win
> >
> >    The following message is from Marc Bos in response to my finding.
> > Forwarded here with permission.  He is now on these lists,
> > and follow-up
> > message to these lists will reach him.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Normally I don't follow the discussions on VSnet but your
> > comments about
> > AIP4Win were forwarded to me . I have also found problems with this
> > software and therefor don't use it . I prefer  DAOPHOT II in
> > the form of
> > Munipack 2 by Rudolf Novac and his collaborators. When comparing the
> > output of both these packages I find that the scatter in the
> > comparison
> > data is consistently higher for AIP4Win by about 40% . Part of the
> > problem could be that AIW4Win dose not allow one to set a
> > value for the
> > inner sky annulus, so effectively you could be including  some of the
> > stars light in the sky back ground subtraction. Also, how dose the
> > software deal with fractions of pixels, hot pixels and stars
> > in the sky
> > annulus .I know that DAOPHOT dose it very well. Just some thoughts on
> > the matter. I'll keep using DAOPHOT untill something better
> > comes along
> > but I can't see that happening in a hurry.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Mrac Bos
> >
> > Mt Molehill Observatory
> > Otahuhu, AKL
> > New Zealand
> >




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