Taichi Kato wrote: > I believe V1028 Cyg has an outburst amplitude exceeding 6 magnitude > based on the recent quiescent estimate. Doesn't it well deserve a TOAD? > Or should we modify slightly the TOAD definition? Defining a SU UMa star as a TOAD (or, equivalently, a WZ Sge star) SOLELY basing it on outburst magnitude is not the right way to classify it as a TOAD. In addition the star should exhibit long intervals between superoutbursts (years to decades) with almost no normal outbursts. Note that this does not imply that the TOADs should be regarded as a completely new CV-group. They are most probably the extreme end of normal SU UMa stars. The bright superoutburst and subsequent rebrightenings in V1028 Cyg occurred after a long quiescent period and may in this respect resemble TOADs. However, this star also show periods of regular normal and superoutburst behaviour. V1028 Cyg, and a similar system, SW UMa, may be the bridge between normal SU UMa's and TOADs. Erik Kuulkers